husband's name may be Erven or Ervin
Louder & Lowder & Loudder by Ernestine Loudder Bowden, Chapt. 3
known as "Kep", was an outlaw, said to be part indian
Jean Moyers, Rt 4 Box 1487A, New Caney, TX 77357 281-689-5040
showed up in TX as a widow in 1890 with her children
could have also been born in Alabama
Louder & Lowder & Loudder by Ernestine Loudder Bowden, Chapter 3
known as "Nannie"
Louder & Lowder & Lowdder by Ernestine Loudder Bowden, Chapter 3
age 34 in 1860 census of Denton Co., TX
Louder & Lowder & Loudder by Ernestine Loudder Bowden
age 37 in 1860 census of Denton Co., TX
living in 1870, Denton Co., TX
possible father: James Pettybelieved to be a descendant, perhaps a granddaughter, of Joel Petty b. 1799 NC
Rebecca Puckett
deathdate, place
resident of TN, Arkansas, OK, TX
possible father: James V. Petty
Louder & Lowder & Loudder by Ernestine Loudder Bowden
died as a young man, hanged & accused as a horse thief
Louder & Lowder & Loudder by Ernestine Loudder Bowden
on another FGR, lists deathdate as ca. 1846 in Arkansas
possible father: Nathan LowderRebecca Puckett
estimated mg date of 1846
Louder & Lowder & Loudder by Ernestine Loudder Bowden
age 37 in 1860 census of Denton Co., TX
living in 1870, Denton Co., TX
possible father: James Pettybelieved to be a descendant, perhaps a granddaughter, of Joel Petty b. 1799 NC
Rebecca Puckett
deathdate, place
resident of TN, Arkansas, OK, TX
possible father: James V. Petty
Louder & Lowder & Loudder by Ernestine Louder Bowden
left to fight in Civil War before son David was born
killed in Civil War
a mess mate, James Abraham (no relation) visited his widow after the war
and ended up marrying her
Professional gambler, age 27 when md, couldn't read or write (James A.
wrote letters to his wife for him)
Louder & Lowder & Loudder by Ernestine Loudder Bowden
md 2 different men with the Petty surname which do not seem to be related
to each other
may be same as rin 10858
only 13 years old at first mgRebecca Puckett
deathdate, place
FGR compiled by Ann Wagner lists son David C. as child of 2nd mg with note:
"son of Lizzie Louder & Doak Petty" b. 1862 Texas
age 18 in 1880 census of Grayson Co., TX
Rev. James Abraham Petty-12966
Louder & Lowder & Loudder by Ernestine Loudder Bowden
called "Dock"
Dock & Lizzie made their home in Gail, Borden Co., TX
in 1880 census of Grayson Co.,TX
was a Baptist minister, they lived in Denton Co., TX for a while after mg
could be same as rin 10854Rebecca Puckett using info from Ann Wagner who gives sources: Cemetary
records Borden Co., TX; 1880 census Grayson Co., TXLouder & Lowder & Loudder by Ernestine Louder Bowden
left to fight in Civil War before son David was born
killed in Civil War
a mess mate, James Abraham (no relation) visited his widow after the war
and ended up marrying her
Professional gambler, age 27 when md, couldn't read or write (James A.
wrote letters to his wife for him)Made their home in Gail, Borden Co., TX and may be where he died.
Another researcher stated: (information not verified by editor Barbara)
My g-grandmother was Mary (Mollie) M Petty, b Sept 1870 in Texas. I believe she is the same Mary M Petty, daughter of the Rev James A(braham) Petty and Mary Elizabeth Loudder. I do have a Texas Death Certificate for a Mollie M Petty, dau of Jas A Petty and M E Louder, which I ordered and received last week when I was in Texas. She died 11 July 1917, in Crosby Co., Texas. She was married to Lorenzo Matthew Reed. Her death date matched the death date in my grandmother’s Bible. Her birth date, according to the death certificate, was 22 Sept 1869, but I believe it’s really 1870 as she’s not on the 1870 census.I have found several websites that have information on Mary Elizabeth Loudder and her parents John Loudder and Mary Elizabeth Petty (dau of James V Petty b abt 1800 TN). But no one seems to know anything about James A Petty, b 1842 AL who married Mary Elizabeth Loudder in Texas.
I think James A Petty is descended from John James Petty, b abt 1812 South Carolina and Nancy Unknown. I have several bits of census information but I went backwards from 1900, so my logic may not be correct.
probable match 1850 - Lafayette Co., MS
Roll: M432_375; Page: 235; Image: 22.Note: 1850 Census Lafayette Co MS p. 235 (Image 22)
Petty John 38 (b. ca 1812) SC (same as James on 1860 census?)
Nancy 31 (b. ca 1819) GA; Mary M 15 (b. ca 1835) SC; Jonas H 12(b. ca 1838) SC; Lydia V 9 (b. ca 1841) SCBrother of John James Petty (Jonas B Petty)? is living next door
Note: 1850 Census Lafayette CO MS. P. 235 (Image 22)
Petty Jonas B 32 (b. ca 1818) SC
Sarah E 24 (b. ca 1826) SC; Wm C 5 (b. ca 1845) SC; Elizabeth J 4 MS (b. ca 1846) SC; Jas S 2 (b. ca 1848) TN; Magarina 8/12 (b. ca 1850) MS;
Prob nephews & niece, not children:Petty Jas A 7 (b. ca 1843) AL; Robt F 5 (b. ca 1845) AL; Sarah R 2(b. ca 1848) MS
Probable match 1860 - PO Canton, Morgan, Lawrence Co., AR
Roll: M653_45; Page: 243; Image: 244. (census August 1860, James A possibly born Oct 1842)Note: 1860 Census Morgan, Lawrence CO AR PO Canton p. 244 (Image 244)
Petty James 47 (b. ca 1812 SC)
Nancy 42 (b. ca 1817 GA) Wife; Lidia V 20 (b. ca 1839) SC (poss. Lydia Ruffner 1870 AR?); James A 17 1842 AL; Robert P 14 (b. ca 1845) AL; Sarah A 11 (b. ca 1848) MS; Elizabeth 10 (b. ca 1849) MS; Martha J 6 (b. ca 1853) AR; Francis M 2 (b. ca 1857) ARNote: 1870 Census Hunt Co TX Prec. 3 Roll: M593_1593; Page: 372; Image: 133.
Petty J A Petty b. abt 1842 AL
Lizzie b. abt 1843 AL; William b. abt 1860 AL (son of Mary E and first husband); James b. abt 1869 AL (son of Mary E and James A)Note: 1880 Census Pct 5, Grayson Co., TX Roll: T9_1307; Family History Film: 1255307; Page: 312.3000; Enumeration District: 12; Image:
Petty James A. <1843> AL AL AL Self
Mary E. <1844> AR AL AR Wife; David C. <1862> TX AL AR Son; Margret E.<1866> TX AL AR Daug; Mary M. <1870> TX AL AR Daug; Sarah N. <1875> TX AL AR Daug; John S. <1875> TX AL AR SonNote: Census 1900 Gail, Borden Co. TX p. 5a
Petty James A 56 b Oct 1844 TN (really probably born Oct 1842 AL)
Mary E Petty 56 b Nov 1844 TX (really probably born Nov 1842 AR)Note: See Mary Elizabeth Loudder b. 1842 AR d. 7-11-1917 Crosby Co Tx m. Rev. James Abraham Petty m. ca 1868 TX b. 5-3-1844 AL d. 1-24-1904 TX
Note: 1870 Census Denton Co TX 1st Denton 127 Petty James 88\Gallaten Hearly 21 farmer AR, Benly? Osborn 19 AR, James Petty 20 TX
Note: 1880 Census Denton Co TX ED 104 88 Petty James 168
James Petty 31 lounatick TX TN TN,
Margrett 26 wife farming AL AL AL, William 4 son TX TX AL, Jas Joe 2 son TX TX AL1880 TX Denton ED 100 14 Petty Andrew J 228
Payer L Williams 28 GA NC SC,
Marguth A 34 GA NC GA, Abie D 7\12 TX GA GA, Andrew Petty Jr 8 stepson TX AL GA
Louder & Lowder & Loudder by Ernestine Loudder Bowden
md 2 different men with the Petty surname which do not seem to be related
to each other
may be same as rin 10858
only 13 years old at first mgRebecca Puckett
deathdate, place
FGR compiled by Ann Wagner lists son David C. as child of 2nd mg with note:
"son of Lizzie Louder & Doak Petty" b. 1862 Texas
Louder & Lowder & Loudder by Ernestine Loudder Bowden
also spelled surname LOWDER
age 15 in 1860 census of Denton Co., TX
age 24 in 1870 census of Denton Co., TX
listed birthdate as 1844/45
on a separate FGR, source lists him b. 22 Jul 1844Rebecca Puckett
exact birthdate (27 Jul 1845), deathdate, death place, Mg date
age 20 in 1870 census of Denton Co., TX
her brother, Elisha P. Denney is living with her in 1870 census (age 23, b. Mississippi, farm laborer)
age 6 in 1860 census of Denton Co., TX